@EU_Commission y'know, I think there are better ways to combat child abuse than undermining the privacy and security of all communications
@EU_Commission You are proposing the surveillance state and none of that BS is helping against child abuse. Go think again.
@EU_Commission STOP THIS. You're ignorant if you think this is the solution to the problem.
For the politicians that are proposing this: remember that the backdoor you are trying to create will be used against you :)
@EU_Commission you can't protect children byt SCANNING EVERY MESSAGE WITHOUT A WARRANT!
You want to protect children? Demand nations INCREASE FUNDING for child abuse investigation, instead of leaving those departments without resources to function!
@EU_Commission Do you really expect such criminals who abuse children to shiver in the face of your plans? Do you really expect them not to keep using fully encrypted tools illegally (e.g. Briar)? The result of your plans will mean loss of human rights for upstanding citizens whereas child abusers will go on with their deeds as usual. The worst thing is that I think you are fully aware of it but you don't care. You abuse child abuse as a pretext for a foot in the door.
that's a terrible idea. For two reasons:
1- there are also childrens out of the EU. So you must give the possibility to access , to the whole world. Now tell me: after you give Russia or China a backdoor to grab communications, they will be able to listen all of us. Or, their childrens are less valuable?
2- you are asking the criminals to cooperate. If they don't want to cooperate, they will deploy their own servers with ciphers you can't break. So you will never benefit of this feature, cause criminals will not cooperate with you, deploying encryption you cannot break.
In short: useless and dangerous.
@EU_Commission these proposals will put journalists, abuse victims, and whistleblowers in danger. It is unacceptable and shameful to hide behind abused children to push such draconian laws.
These "AI-based" solutions like Apple's NeuralHash thingamajig are notoriously easy to trick to flag an innocent image as "known child abuse material":
Scenario: somebody sends innocent-looking photos to politicians they don't like. The AI flags them, the police raids them, and it is quickly public they "allegedly" had child abuse material on their devices.
Only they didn't.
But explain that to the public now.
Some law enforcement agency happens to not like a particular person. Say, a whistleblower. They have nothing on them, so they can't get a warrant, but they really really want to.
They send the person such innocent-looking false positive. Bam, Apple sends a report to LEA "child abuse material on that phone", LEA gets a warrant, whistleblower compromised.
@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission You know, the human rights in the ECHR are generally considered to be indivisible and interdependent, that is, one cannot enjoy one of the rights without the other. One of those rights is privacy of communications. If we start sawing at these rights, chances are we'll lose others, and the entire founding principle of the EU is lost.
The motivation, I cannot fault. I have children as well that I want...
@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission ... to be safe. But the method of undermining a fundamental human right is just the wrong response, ethically as well as for the mechanic reasons you others have outlined here.
At the same time, the next generation internet initiative by the EC invests heavily into a more human centric future internet, in which human rights are supposed to be *more* protected than now.
It's also inconsistent here.
You have advice on this matter. Civil society is consistently advising you not to undermine privacy. It's tragic that this advice keeps getting ignored to the detriment of absolutely everyone.
With #EUvsChildSexualAbuse and #ChatControl, the
@EU_Commission proposes #undemocratic legislation in direct opposition to our fundamental right to #privacy of communications, set forth in the #ECHR as one of the founding principles of the #EU. This despite express and repeated recommendations by #CivilSociety. Known effective methods for protecting against abuse are instead ignored.
@EU_Commission As I wrote to Frau #VonDerLeyen, as a German, she should be painfully aware that in the last 100 years, we've had two secret polices with access to everything, the #Stasi and the #Gestapo, and the entire world knows how that turned out.
Farming this out to tech companies with *less* oversight surely will be A Good Thing (Yeah, no, that's #sarcasm just so we're clear).
We have a EU rights agency with a fedi account, @FRA, so I would very much like to know how the #privacy violation that is #ChatControl can be considered anything other than undermining #HumanRights in the EU by @EU_Commission .
Search yields no results.
It's also worth noting that we - tech that is - has worked for years on human rights guidelines such as https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8280/ , work that is performed by EU civil society amongst others. We, generally speaking, have a good understanding of the solution space.
Mass surveillance is not in it.
What is being proposed is directly opposite to our projects and the reasons we got funded as part of the Privacy Enhancing Technologies funding. This has roll on consequences for any product that may provide a communication service in the EU.
@jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission @NGIZero
Let's not forget what's happening in the US with Roe vs Wade where private communications, plus metadata about their searches, for folks seeking abortions could be used to prosecute them. It does not take that much to be on the wrong side of the law.
@selea @rysiek @EU_Commission and it's a punch in victims face when they state that this stuff is circulating online for years. Europol and the German BKA literally didn't try to ask the hosting companies to delete the stuff.
Europol says that the local authorities are in charge and the BKA says it has no legal mandate for that.
Please, also consider the very real harm done by hate speech and mean comments.
You should think about expanding the scope of this legislation and also protect the citizens from only hate crime and mean words.
if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
I for one welcome our new child-protecting laws
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