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@EU_Commission lol welcome to fedi, EU. Better start replying to comments instead of just your own

@EU_Commission the #EU is still worshipping the #deathcult dressed up in green cloth... you guys need to be braver, try the #openweb as a way to get up on one knee.

@EU_Commission @EU_Commission
Except for micro grid (which comes closest to decentralization) the rest ist your winning point for bullshit bingo

Blockchain is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, eats energy like hell, a hype fed by people making money out of it
Quantum computing computing is still in it's early beginnings. In the end a two sided sword that will lead to more security threats
Artificial intelligence is another hype to report statistical analysis and get funding from you

Listening to #BasicNeeds would have a Huge #effect #esntials
Blockchain or just Labels für #RFT #RealFairTrade would be Nice !
Can control directly how much illegal/exploitive workforce and env. Damage was used to produce the product. And the #Tax it.
Learning again to live without excessive, ad and lifestyle based consumption incl. Reduction Non-disposable garbage #consoum . tech to support/ finance high #transparency projects/trade would be helpful

@EU_Commission Banning Blockchain would really accelerate going green.

I'm 100% serious, it is an energy wasting scam. Getting rid of it would save us more energy than the complete power consumption of the Netherlands.

Instead of promoting Blockchain like you do in your post, we should be getting rid of it as soon as possible.

@jaypatelani @EU_Commission I'm aware of the distinction but for some reason I doubt they are going to use git instead of Ethereum, when all the other "key" technologies are buzzwords for selling more shit, instead of scaling back the number of useless shit sold.
And carbon neutrality is not going to be enough.

@jaypatelani @EU_Commission
Like, here is a fun fact:
with smarter protocol design we wouldn't need constant internet access for communication. So why is 5G touted as the hot shit that everyone must be working on, instead of something like named data networking?

I have *some* peace of mind knowing that NGI0 does fund a lot of such research, but then the rest of the EU shouldn't be undermining their efforts.

@jaypatelani @EU_Commission
Eg.: look at what they want to use quantum computing for. Smarter pesticides.
There are currently known solutions to many of the issues of agriculture and they don't require quantum computing. But then what would Monsanto or John Deere be selling and how would their CEOs buy new yachts.

@EU_Commission have you heard of Kessler Syndrome? Look it up. Satellites are NOT sustainable.

@EU_Commission I love technology but it will only partially contribute to the solution.

This problem needs social, political & economic courage. We need degrowth, reduction of our exploitation of natural resources & marginalized people, an end to fossil fuel & making climate-unfriendly activity illegal or expensive (especially for big business).

All stuff we could’ve started with decades ago but will now be forced to do in a few short years if we can muster the urgency.

been a long time since I had seen some full on bullshit about the environmental/digital transitions!
Blockchain and IoT for the win, and quantum computing for good measure... Thank you very much!
And how are we going to extract all the metals and energy necessary to build, run, then replace all these things, pray?
Do you know that just making the transition to renewables in some fairly growth limited scenarios requires us to get more than half of all the copper we can access?

@EU_Commission These claims go entirely against the consensus in the field.

The projected growth in AI, blockchain, IoT will lead to a massive rise in emissions, not a reduction. And contrary to your claim, none of these technologies is essential in reducing emissions.

Quantum Computing is unlikely to be mainstream by 2050 and has currently no promise of energy efficiency. There are much more promising compute technologies. Space-based services cause emissions in the upper atmosphere which leads to additional warming of those layers, making global warming worse.

Please check with experts before posting things like this.(fwiw, I am an expert in low-carbon and sustainable computing so green & digital transition is my area)

@wim_v12e @EU_Commission

Embarrassing to justify fake going assed boilers to become mainstream.
What quantum computing?
@wim_v12e @EU_Commission

Quantum Computing is only a white paper for the boiler.
Change my mind.
@EU_Commission @wim_v12e

The idea to spend more bits to hold logical binary and presume it would be able to tell, simply is just binary with a third set and quite dumb, because consuming more bits than the efficiency its oils provide.

Nothing quantum about it, although it’s quite fucking quantum right now, since quantum means incomplete, the same way artificial means fake.

You want better fuel efficiency? Build walkable cities and bike lanes.

@wim_v12e @EU_Commission I find these proposed 'solutions' seem like more tech solutionism. There's no points on reducing emissions of current activities either.
Do you have some references to publications when you say this is the consensus? I'd be curious to read up on it

@wim_v12e @EU_Commission

I read it as "somehow some technology in the future will fix our problems" and that attitude has been a huge problem since the industrial revolution.

@wim_v12e @EU_Commission The social media people running these accounts do not have the authority to decide what gets posted. There is a long chain of command, I hope you understand that. Contacting a MEP is probably your best bet.

@Gargron @wim_v12e @EU_Commission if this is the case, and the only value is in receiving poorly-considered propaganda posts in a single direction instead of engaging in a public form, then it might be best to fediblock social dot network dot europa dot eu

but even then a reply with a correction where the public who are victims of this misinformation might see it is far more valuable than talk about some completely invisible unaccountable chain of command

@gargron @EU_Commission If the Commission wants to communicate to the public, then they have to communicate back the public's views to the decision makers as well.

@wim_v12e @gargron @EU_Commission

I live in Brexit island (I didn't support or vote for it) so no longer can contact MEPs etc; but the way the Commission have set this up with 0 replies to the public comes across almost like a 1980s propaganda operation (even though I agree with and support a lot of what they are saying and doing!)

It was a perception of Brussels being "unaccountable" and "untouchable" which in part led to Brexit in my country..

@vfrmedia @wim_v12e @EU_Commission Do you think that Ursula von der Leyen is sitting on the Mastodon account or do you think that social media managers have the authority to off the cuff respond on behalf of the European executive body?

@gargron @wim_v12e @EU_Commission

I don't expect them to be able to respond informally, but I've worked in the UK Civil Service myself (pre social media) and there was a whole unit in the Chief Executives department that logged and replied to correspondence from citizens and activist groups, who did usually get /some/ kind of reply (and a file opened and kept on them, particularly persistent corresponders and activist groups!)

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@vfrmedia @Gargron @wim_v12e @EU_Commission

Some of the EU accounts do respond, for example:

The EU has an entire instance of accounts:

Bear in mind this is a pilot project driven by pro-FOSS people within the EU, and which is opposed by anti-FOSS groups.

I'm sure you know from the civil service how tribal factions form in government?

I think we should engage with this EU instance, to support the pro-FOSS factions.

I'm critical of the communications here, but the support of research in general has been going on for ages and is generally very much appreciated on my end.
There are significant amounts of money set aside for stuff that *actually* has a chance to help reduce carbon emissions, i.e. transitioning most energy generation and use to renewable sources, adapting the electricity grid, transport... even for British universities (!)
@wim_v12e @gargron @EU_Commission

@wim_v12e @Gargron @EU_Commission No doubt they have a Ph D candidate or 2 implementing a sentiment analysis monitoring tool, as govts do with other social media... but here they'd have to do it instance by instance.

Errr what? Hydrogen, fine. But satellites and quantum computers? Hard to believe. I vividly recall a LOT of scientists saying it's not an engineering challenge anymore but a doing challenge.

@EU_Commission is it possible to access that report with a modern web browser? The site requires a heavy load of Javascript.

@EU_Commission damn, you really are out of your leage there... AI can help, but most problems have far better and ecological «classical» solutions. Blockchain a neat technology in search of a use case: I still haven't seen any that is not better covered (and with far less energy) via other means. IoT can help, but the majority of deployments are just generating revenue and huge data sets for big tech, while again using much energy. Seriously, get your acts together...

@EU_Commission who wrote this post cause not only is it entirely made up drivel but "praocesses" is uh a cool neologism that you may have coined just for this image

Soo... the microgrids idea is concievably and plausibly directly helping to update electricity grids so they can cope with new and different types of electricity generation.
All other fields are generic technology which may be used for all kinds of purposes (or not...).

I work in aerospace research, and for decades people have been selling gradual operating cost reductions as contributions to climate protection. It's not honest. 100 times 1% CO2 reduction does not 100% make.

Decentralized Energy Grids is the only one which could be useful.

Blockchain? What Byzantine general problem are you trying to solve? Oh, you don't know what that is? Then you don't need a blockchain.

This is just the wishlist of #BigTech fishing for the € billions you'll spend on this.
Lobbying is #LegalizedCorruption

Maybe talk to actual subject matter experts, like scientists, who actually want to solve the problems?

This is just a #BullshitBingoCard

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